Dialogue Titles and Content
Dialogue 1: Your image of yourself prevents relationship.
Is there such a thing as the unconscious? The process of fragmentation is a state of mind that divides, that says there is the unconscious and the conscious. Every human being has an image of himself of which he is unconscious, not aware. What is the origin of making images about oneself? Who is the image-maker? What is the machinery or the process that is making images? Our consciousness is our images, conclusions, ideas. If there is no image-making then what is consciousness? As long as we have images there is not going to be peace in the world, there will be no love in the world. If one remains with the fact there is a transformation.
Dialogue 2: Images and Consciousness
What will bring about a radical transformation in the total consciousness of human beings? Right relationship begins with the realization of the responsibility I have for myself. Is the observer different from that which is observed? If there is a difference between the observer and the observed there is division, and therefore conflict. My consciousness is the consciousness of the world because it is filled with the things of thought sorrow, fear, pleasure, despair, attachment. In that state you cannot have any relationship with any human being. When there is no movement of thought, which is the image-making, what then takes place? When there are none of the things that create division, what comes into being?
Dialogue 3: Life is sacred
Do you know what it means to love somebody? Without compassion, human beings are destroying themselves. Is compassion the result of the ending of sorrow, the universal sorrow? Have an insight into sorrow, not the sorrow of thought but the universal sorrow of mankind; and out of that insight is compassion. Is compassion the end of all life, end of all death? A real, penetrating meditation brings insight.
Dialogue 4: Computers, Thought and Insight
If the computer can do the things thought can do, what happens to man? A human being may have the capacity for insight; the computer has not because it’s programmed by the human mind which is itself limited. Insight may take place in absolute silence. A perception in which there is no division as perceiver and perceived. Does the mechanical process of thinking ever stop or is the brain perpetually occupied? The brain is infinite; it’s not your brain or my brain; it’s not personal. From a new perception you can go on to reason, but if you start from logic you are starting from what you know, which is fundamentally wrong. Once you have insight, thought can operate logically. Insight is non-mechanical.
The purpose of this study workshop is to explore and study the three dialogues between J. Krishnamurti, Prof. David Bohm and Dr. David Shainberg, and one dialogue between J. Krishnamurti, Prof. David Bohm and Mr. Asit Chandmal. The first three dialogues are the last three of a series of seven dialogues titled as Transformation of Man. These dialogues took place in 1976 at Brockwood Park, UK. These are published as a part of the book: The Transformation of Man (New Title) or The Wholeness of Life (Old Title). The fourth dialogue took place at Ojai, California, USA in 1981 and is not published as a book. However the text of this dialogue will be made available to the participants. The topics and the content of these dialogues are as given above. The study will not be just of academic nature but will involve the application to our daily life situations. Our intention will be to enquire into ourselves in the context of these dialogues and see whether they lead to different understanding of our life. It will be our endeavour to begin with scientific enquiry first and then pursue it to its logical end to enter into religious enquiry through which alone the deeper and subtler aspects of our existence can be explored. Through various interactive sessions, this will be attempted. Participants will be provided with the text of these four dialogues between K, DB, DS and AC. They will also be provided with the links to the video recordings of these dialogues so that they can listen to the original unedited version of these dialogues. The participants are expected to devote both the days fully to this study.