Dialogue Titles and Content
Dialogue 1: How does desire arise from perception? Desire and Goodness.
Why has desire become such an extraordinarily important thing in life? How does desire arise from perception? Can I desire truth? Is the energy of nothingness different from the energy of things? Is that nothingness a hypothesis, a theory, a verbal structure, or truth? In dying to the reality only then there is nothingness.
Dialogue 2: Attention implies that there is no centre. Beyond attention and awareness.
Consciousness, because it is in constant movement, has never found an energy which is not contradictory, which is not produced by desire and thought. Can thought ever see its own movement and the futility of its own movement? Attention implies that there is no centre. Is there a perception, a seeing outside the space which is part of consciousness? There are two human beings, one gets conditioned and the other doesn’t. Why? How has it happened the other doesn’t get conditioned? How does this perception which is beyond attention, beyond awareness, beyond concentration come about? Thought is rather superficial, it’s merely a very small part of the operation of the brain. Can consciousness be completely empty of its content? Order and disorder.
Dialogue 3: If thought cannot achieve, why should it suffer?
How does science investigate the mysterious? If thought cannot achieve, why should it suffer? Can consciousness, which is filled with the things of thought, empty itself? Thought cannot possibly apprehend, comprehend or be aware of the whole. Time. Krishnamurti’s early years.
Dialogue 4: What is the substance of thought? Thought and perception.
What is the basic reason for thought to be fragmented? What is the substance of thought? Is it a material process, a chemical process? There is a total perception, which is truth. That perception acts in the field of reality. That action is not the product of thought. Thought has no place when there is total perception. Thought never acknowledges to itself that it is mechanical. Total perception can only exist when the centre is not.
The purpose of this study workshop is to explore and study the 4 dialogues between J. Krishnamurti and Prof. David Bohm which took place at Brockwood Park, UK and Gstaad, Switzerland in 1975. Dialogues 1, 2 and 4 are published as chapters 2, 3 and 4 in part one of the book: The Limits of Thought. The 3rd dialogue is unpublished in the book form. The topics and the content of these dialogues are as given above. The study will not be just of academic nature but will involve the application to our daily life situations. Our intention will be to enquire into ourselves in the context of these dialogues and see whether they lead to different understanding of our life. It will be our endeavour to begin with scientific enquiry first and then pursue it to its logical end to enter into religious enquiry through which alone the deeper and subtler aspects of our existence can be explored. Through various interactive sessions, this will be attempted. Participants will be provided with the text of these four dialogues between K and DB. They will also be provided with the links to the video recordings of these dialogues so that they can listen to the original unedited version of these dialogues.