Dialogue Titles and Content
Dialogue 1: Is there in the brain anything untouched by culture?
Can there be a total perception which completely heals the brain? What benefit has culture? Does speech come before thought? Is it possible to say something without the operation of thought? Is there in the brain anything untouched by culture? Is attention a conscious process? Is love the factor of profound change? You explain all this, and you say that whatever the damaged brain – which is the result of thought and tradition and all the rest of it – whatever it does will produce further damage. So, because you point it out, I realise that. That is the first necessity – I realise it. Then, after I’ve realised it, you talk to me at a depth which thought has not touched. You planted a seed.
Dialogue 2: Truth does not belong to an individual
Krishnamurti’s ‘process’ and his early years. Suffering. The Indian tradition says that there is a manifestation of goodness which happens very rarely. Truth does not belong to an individual. What one says is truth. But it becomes truth to me only when I have washed away my selfishness. To stay with – not the word, not the description, not the person – but to stay with that penetrating truth.
Dialogue 3: What is wisdom which is not a movement of thought?
Wisdom, intelligence and truth. If there is attention is there choice? Why has man divided perception? What is wisdom which is not the movement of thought? What place has the man who perceives truth in this world of reality? Truth operating in one brain clears that brain. Mustn’t there be emptiness for the perception of truth? Consciousness.
Dialogue 4: Can the brain free itself from all self-delusion?
Thought and the brain. Can the brain free itself from all self-delusion? Why has the self become important? Can there be only sensation, thought, and no desire? Can desire – which brings illusion, self-deception and all the complications of changing desires – can the root of desire be dissipated? What prevents one from having a real insight? That is, seeing the truth of desire and therefore end it. Is it that we have never asked this question? When there is no desire whatsoever then there is a total revolution, and that will affect the consciousness of man. Is there a movement, an action that keeps the brain pure, uncontaminated?
The purpose of this study workshop is to explore and study the 4 dialogues between J. Krishnamurti and Prof. David Bohm which took place in 1975. Last 3 dialogues took place at Brockwood Park, UK and the first dialogue took place at Gstaad, Switzerland. Dialogue 1 is published as chapter 5 in Part 1 of the book: The Limits of Thought. Dialogues 2, 3 and 4 are unpublished in the book form. The topics and the content of these dialogues are as given above. The study will not be just of academic nature but will involve the application to our daily life situations. Our intention will be to enquire into ourselves in the context of these dialogues and see whether they lead to different understanding of our life. It will be our endeavour to begin with scientific enquiry first and then pursue it to its logical end to enter into religious enquiry through which alone the deeper and subtler aspects of our existence can be explored. Through various interactive sessions, this will be attempted. Participants will be provided with the text of these four dialogues between K and DB. They will also be provided with the links to the video recordings of these dialogues so that they can listen to the original unedited version of these dialogues.