Dialogue Titles and Content
Dialogue 1: What is truth and what is reality? Reality, Actuality and Truth
What is truth and what is reality? Anything that thought thinks about or reflects upon or projects, that is reality. And that reality has nothing to do with truth. The art of seeing is to place reality where it is, and not move that in order to get truth. You can’t get truth. How am I to empty that consciousness and yet retain knowledge – otherwise I couldn’t function – and reach a state which will comprehend reality?
Dialogue 2: Seeing ‘what is’ is action. Insight and Truth; Gulf between Reality and Truth
If truth is something totally different from reality then what place has action in daily life, in relation to truth and reality? Seeing what is is action. What place has love in truth? When I separate you, in that separation love cannot exist. How are you to convey the sense of truth to a student? As long as I live in the field of reality, which has its own energy, that energy will not free me. When the mind is empty, when the mind is nothing, not a thing, in that there is perception.
Dialogue 3: Thought cannot bring about an insight. The Seed of Truth
Is there a thinking without the word? The action brought about by thought into the investigation of an analysis is always incomplete. Insight is complete. It is not fragmented as thought is. So thought cannot bring about an insight. I must have an insight into conditioning otherwise I can’t dissolve it. What takes place when I have an insight that the observer is the observed? In nothingness there is complete security and stability.
Dialogue 4: Perceiving without the perceiver
Can thought naturally cease? Perceiving without the perceiver. Facing the truth of death. Krishnamurti’s ‘process’ and early years. Kundalini. If you can understand suffering, face it and not escape from it, that has quite a different energy. Truth is a pathless land. There is something really tremendously mysterious. Knowledge is becoming the curse. When the mind, with all the confusion, is nothing, not a thing, then perhaps there is the other.
The purpose of this study workshop is to explore and study the 4 dialogues between J. Krishnamurti and Prof. David Bohm which took place at Brockwood Park in 1975. The first three dialogues have been published as the first 3 chapters of the book: Truth and Actuality. The 4th dialogue is unpublished in the book form. The topics and the content of these dialogues is as given above. The study will not be just of academic nature but will involve the application to our daily life situations. Our intention will be to enquire into ourselves in the context of these dialogues and see whether they lead to different understanding of our life. It will be our endeavour to begin with scientific enquiry first and then pursue it to its logical end to enter into religious enquiry through which alone the deeper and subtler aspects of our existence can be explored. Through various interactive sessions, this will be attempted. Participants will be provided with the text of these four dialogues between K and DB. They will also be provided with the links to the video recordings of these dialogues so that they can listen to the original unedited version of these dialogues.